1 00:00:25,150 --> 00:00:16,080 [Music] 2 00:00:27,069 --> 00:00:25,160 thank you very much it's an honor to be 3 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:27,079 here and so many great presentations 4 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:28,369 this morning I'm really pleased to be 5 00:00:37,090 --> 00:00:33,410 part of this and in response to the last 6 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:37,100 gentleman Brennen what I'll be talking 7 00:00:41,650 --> 00:00:39,770 about today would would affect the 8 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:41,660 interpretation I would want to make for 9 00:00:48,430 --> 00:00:43,450 those pseudo re G's rather than 10 00:00:50,380 --> 00:00:48,440 precognition of what the possible states 11 00:00:52,569 --> 00:00:50,390 of the art of the pseudo re G could be I 12 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:52,579 wouldn't want to suggest the way I look 13 00:00:56,620 --> 00:00:54,770 at it would be a retroactive I'm gonna 14 00:00:57,819 --> 00:00:56,630 suggest that the collapse of that 15 00:01:00,069 --> 00:00:57,829 particular system into that particular 16 00:01:02,650 --> 00:01:00,079 state at that time is a relational 17 00:01:06,310 --> 00:01:02,660 process relative to you the experimenter 18 00:01:09,219 --> 00:01:06,320 and so therefore it could be a process 19 00:01:11,859 --> 00:01:09,229 of retro actively affecting the actual 20 00:01:14,770 --> 00:01:11,869 time of the initiation of that pseudo re 21 00:01:16,270 --> 00:01:14,780 G rather than Precog recognizing what 22 00:01:18,669 --> 00:01:16,280 it's going to be and then choosing that 23 00:01:19,749 --> 00:01:18,679 time in the present so and I think you 24 00:01:22,149 --> 00:01:19,759 could distinguish between those by 25 00:01:25,629 --> 00:01:22,159 running a experiment may be modeled 26 00:01:27,910 --> 00:01:25,639 after Helmut Smith's work because the 27 00:01:29,499 --> 00:01:27,920 the data set is known in advance right 28 00:01:31,419 --> 00:01:29,509 because it's generated by a mathematical 29 00:01:33,219 --> 00:01:31,429 function at time zero the whole data set 30 00:01:35,529 --> 00:01:33,229 is known and can be analyzed in advance 31 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:35,539 of the experiment being complete so 32 00:01:38,620 --> 00:01:36,529 anyway just some thoughts and I'd love 33 00:01:41,590 --> 00:01:38,630 to talk with you Brennan later thank you 34 00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:41,600 for the great presentation is the red 35 00:01:45,399 --> 00:01:43,880 button the light okay great so I'm going 36 00:01:46,419 --> 00:01:45,409 to talk about relational collapse how 37 00:01:47,559 --> 00:01:46,429 many of you know what collapse of the 38 00:01:49,779 --> 00:01:47,569 wavefunction is in quantum mechanics 39 00:01:52,629 --> 00:01:49,789 that concept okay how many of you know 40 00:01:54,550 --> 00:01:52,639 what relational collapse is relational 41 00:01:56,589 --> 00:01:54,560 collapse is the opposite of objective 42 00:02:00,209 --> 00:01:56,599 collapse objective collapse is the idea 43 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:00,219 that a quantum mechanical system given a 44 00:02:05,889 --> 00:02:02,810 plethora of multiple possible states 45 00:02:07,269 --> 00:02:05,899 would take an objective single state as 46 00:02:09,580 --> 00:02:07,279 a result of a measurement by an 47 00:02:11,610 --> 00:02:09,590 individual and that objective state has 48 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:11,620 some kind of ontological status of being 49 00:02:16,750 --> 00:02:14,090 actually real for everybody everywhere 50 00:02:18,100 --> 00:02:16,760 at that moment rather than relational 51 00:02:20,559 --> 00:02:18,110 collapse which means relative to the 52 00:02:23,830 --> 00:02:20,569 observer so if you're familiar with 53 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:23,840 friend concept that if if Daniel makes 54 00:02:28,449 --> 00:02:25,370 it experimental measurement in the lab 55 00:02:30,190 --> 00:02:28,459 and I'm outside of the lab when I enter 56 00:02:31,929 --> 00:02:30,200 the lab or the relational model would 57 00:02:33,399 --> 00:02:31,939 say that both Daniel and the 58 00:02:35,050 --> 00:02:33,409 experimental results are in a 59 00:02:37,119 --> 00:02:35,060 superposition position state together 60 00:02:40,690 --> 00:02:37,129 that they're correlated but the actual 61 00:02:42,459 --> 00:02:40,700 reality of that result is not actually 62 00:02:44,410 --> 00:02:42,469 determined for me as the outside 63 00:02:47,649 --> 00:02:44,420 observer and that is the relational 64 00:02:49,750 --> 00:02:47,659 model okay so I'm gonna use special 65 00:02:52,390 --> 00:02:49,760 relativity today to try and demonstrate 66 00:02:54,190 --> 00:02:52,400 to you that the relational model is the 67 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:54,200 only viable interpretation of quantum 68 00:03:00,449 --> 00:02:57,530 mechanics that matches with special 69 00:03:02,949 --> 00:03:00,459 relativity which is a pretty stringent 70 00:03:07,869 --> 00:03:02,959 criteria because we know the special 71 00:03:09,220 --> 00:03:07,879 relativity is correct so it's gonna it's 72 00:03:10,569 --> 00:03:09,230 going to weed out about half of the 73 00:03:12,099 --> 00:03:10,579 interpretations of quantum mechanics 74 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:12,109 which is something that we have not been 75 00:03:15,009 --> 00:03:13,730 able to do yet currently all 76 00:03:18,220 --> 00:03:15,019 interpretations of quantum mechanics are 77 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:18,230 equally relevant so hopefully we'll be 78 00:03:20,740 --> 00:03:19,459 able to I'll be able to demonstrate to 79 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:20,750 you in a convincing way that that is the 80 00:03:25,210 --> 00:03:23,090 case so the overview is at special 81 00:03:27,249 --> 00:03:25,220 relativity from 1905 leads to the 82 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:27,259 conclusion any definite reality must be 83 00:03:32,050 --> 00:03:28,810 described relative to another observer 84 00:03:33,879 --> 00:03:32,060 this is called relationality and the 85 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:33,889 conclusion at least my version of 86 00:03:42,149 --> 00:03:37,370 relationality is that physical reality 87 00:03:44,289 --> 00:03:42,159 is secondary in consciousness is primary 88 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:44,299 I'm not the first one to talk about this 89 00:03:48,429 --> 00:03:46,489 this is quite a bit of literature and 90 00:03:50,439 --> 00:03:48,439 ideas out there on this topic I'm gonna 91 00:03:53,499 --> 00:03:50,449 try and show it rigorously that this has 92 00:03:55,689 --> 00:03:53,509 to be the case so I'll start with the 93 00:03:57,099 --> 00:03:55,699 derivation so many of the great advances 94 00:03:58,749 --> 00:03:57,109 in physics have been a result of people 95 00:04:01,330 --> 00:03:58,759 studying light and all of these people 96 00:04:03,399 --> 00:04:01,340 has studied light as a major part of 97 00:04:07,089 --> 00:04:03,409 their careers so we've got iron stein 98 00:04:10,539 --> 00:04:07,099 Max Planck Newton Thomas Young Maxwell 99 00:04:11,740 --> 00:04:10,549 and Huygens and we still don't know what 100 00:04:14,289 --> 00:04:11,750 light is and that's the beauty of it 101 00:04:17,229 --> 00:04:14,299 it's it's this central piece of physics 102 00:04:18,819 --> 00:04:17,239 that is is still not understood we've 103 00:04:20,529 --> 00:04:18,829 got lots of models and all these models 104 00:04:22,659 --> 00:04:20,539 work very well for specific experiences 105 00:04:24,700 --> 00:04:22,669 but there's others stuff about light it 106 00:04:27,580 --> 00:04:24,710 isn't not understood so let's talk about 107 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:27,590 the Lorentz transformation for a simple 108 00:04:32,350 --> 00:04:31,250 non light example for muons these are 109 00:04:34,029 --> 00:04:32,360 particles that are generated in the 110 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:34,039 upper atmosphere I'm going to try and 111 00:04:36,219 --> 00:04:34,490 use them 112 00:04:37,930 --> 00:04:36,229 to explain to you how special relativity 113 00:04:40,180 --> 00:04:37,940 works for those of you who might not be 114 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:40,190 as familiar and the main result we're 115 00:04:43,089 --> 00:04:42,110 going to talk about is time dilation how 116 00:04:45,580 --> 00:04:43,099 many are familiar with the idea that 117 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:45,590 time is dilated for objects in reference 118 00:04:50,379 --> 00:04:47,090 frames that are moving close to the 119 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:50,389 speed of light okay relative to me the 120 00:04:55,779 --> 00:04:53,210 observer so for a muon that's generated 121 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:55,789 in the upper atmosphere by cosmic 122 00:05:00,420 --> 00:04:58,250 processes a muon has a very short 123 00:05:02,589 --> 00:05:00,430 half-life of about two microseconds so 124 00:05:03,909 --> 00:05:02,599 mu1 is going to decay very quickly 125 00:05:06,370 --> 00:05:03,919 according to natural spontaneous 126 00:05:07,629 --> 00:05:06,380 physical processes that we don't I don't 127 00:05:09,670 --> 00:05:07,639 think we fully understand or actually 128 00:05:11,499 --> 00:05:09,680 probably do but I'm not a particle 129 00:05:12,969 --> 00:05:11,509 physicist so I don't understand them but 130 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:12,979 I know that after about two microseconds 131 00:05:21,939 --> 00:05:14,930 they decay and so it would look 132 00:05:23,379 --> 00:05:21,949 something like this okay so what in my 133 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:23,389 model I mean this is just a metaphor 134 00:05:29,290 --> 00:05:26,289 it's vibrating Wow mwah mwah mwah and 135 00:05:33,909 --> 00:05:29,300 explodes right that's my model for the 136 00:05:35,290 --> 00:05:33,919 decay of the muon and what I'm trying to 137 00:05:36,999 --> 00:05:35,300 demonstrate here is that it has a 138 00:05:39,159 --> 00:05:37,009 certain process time there's a certain 139 00:05:42,580 --> 00:05:39,169 physical process that's governing this 140 00:05:44,379 --> 00:05:42,590 behavior and so what you would expect 141 00:05:45,999 --> 00:05:44,389 for a muon even if it's traveling fast 142 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:46,009 from the upper atmosphere it's only two 143 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:47,930 microseconds so it doesn't get very far 144 00:05:51,999 --> 00:05:50,810 and so this is what you expect it 145 00:05:55,740 --> 00:05:52,009 wouldn't get very far wouldn't make it 146 00:05:59,529 --> 00:05:55,750 to the surface of the earth and again 147 00:06:03,309 --> 00:05:59,539 one WOM WOM WOM okay but what actually 148 00:06:07,589 --> 00:06:03,319 happens is different because time is 149 00:06:16,659 --> 00:06:07,599 dilated for the process time of the muon 150 00:06:19,180 --> 00:06:16,669 it looks like this Wow okay so what the 151 00:06:20,589 --> 00:06:19,190 process time is dilated is actually 152 00:06:21,959 --> 00:06:20,599 slowed down from the reference frame of 153 00:06:24,430 --> 00:06:21,969 me sitting on the earth 154 00:06:25,899 --> 00:06:24,440 this is a basic result from special 155 00:06:28,330 --> 00:06:25,909 relativity that was confirmed in the 60s 156 00:06:29,589 --> 00:06:28,340 and we observed many of these muons of 157 00:06:31,390 --> 00:06:29,599 the surface of the earth which indicates 158 00:06:33,540 --> 00:06:31,400 that yes indeed time is dilated for 159 00:06:36,730 --> 00:06:33,550 these muons now what's important here in 160 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:36,740 this illustration is that I am talking 161 00:06:42,550 --> 00:06:39,590 about me as the observer on the surface 162 00:06:44,019 --> 00:06:42,560 of the earth I didn't put a clock in the 163 00:06:46,750 --> 00:06:44,029 reference frame of the muon I didn't 164 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:46,760 talk about the the time as experienced 165 00:06:49,750 --> 00:06:47,840 by the muon 166 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:49,760 or the time relative to the reference 167 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:52,130 frame of the muon what I'm discussing is 168 00:06:59,909 --> 00:06:56,050 the time that I measure sitting on earth 169 00:07:02,140 --> 00:06:59,919 and what I'm measuring are two things an 170 00:07:04,060 --> 00:07:02,150 earth observer can measure two different 171 00:07:05,830 --> 00:07:04,070 time quantities the first one is the 172 00:07:07,900 --> 00:07:05,840 amount of time it appears it actually 173 00:07:09,129 --> 00:07:07,910 takes the muon to travel from the upper 174 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:09,139 atmosphere to the lower atmosphere 175 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:12,290 that's from point A to point B and I 176 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:14,449 measure that I might stopwatch and I 177 00:07:19,150 --> 00:07:15,889 write down the time that it takes might 178 00:07:20,530 --> 00:07:19,160 take a second for that to happen that's 179 00:07:23,140 --> 00:07:20,540 the time for me want to get from A to B 180 00:07:25,060 --> 00:07:23,150 the second thing I can measure however 181 00:07:29,530 --> 00:07:25,070 is the process time for the decay of the 182 00:07:32,500 --> 00:07:29,540 muon and as we noted the process time 183 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:32,510 for the decay of the muon it's obvious 184 00:07:36,310 --> 00:07:34,490 to us that it was dilated because we 185 00:07:38,590 --> 00:07:36,320 know from other experiments that it 186 00:07:40,270 --> 00:07:38,600 takes two microseconds to decay and in 187 00:07:41,590 --> 00:07:40,280 this example in this experience it 188 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:41,600 lasted for much longer than that 189 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:45,080 and so we we can infer that the process 190 00:07:50,890 --> 00:07:48,130 time of the muon has been dilated the 191 00:07:53,170 --> 00:07:50,900 key point is that I am a earthbound 192 00:07:55,210 --> 00:07:53,180 observer an inertial reference frame 193 00:07:56,770 --> 00:07:55,220 making a measurement of this muon it 194 00:07:58,570 --> 00:07:56,780 never once did I try and put myself in 195 00:08:00,700 --> 00:07:58,580 the reference frame of the muon which is 196 00:08:01,990 --> 00:08:00,710 what we typically try to do in in you 197 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:02,000 know discussing relativity with the 198 00:08:07,089 --> 00:08:05,450 yardsticks and and stopwatches in this 199 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:07,099 case it's good though smaadahl z' of 200 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:08,330 large sticks and stop watches are gonna 201 00:08:11,260 --> 00:08:09,530 get in our way because all I'm really 202 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:11,270 doing is an Earthbound observer making a 203 00:08:16,930 --> 00:08:12,800 measurement of these two time quantities 204 00:08:18,610 --> 00:08:16,940 relevant to the new one so for a given 205 00:08:20,050 --> 00:08:18,620 time measured by me less and less time 206 00:08:20,379 --> 00:08:20,060 passes for the muon from my point of 207 00:08:24,730 --> 00:08:20,389 view 208 00:08:28,150 --> 00:08:24,740 now here's my real point what I'm about 209 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:28,160 to say for half of the physicists I talk 210 00:08:32,019 --> 00:08:30,650 to you about this they'll they'll say 211 00:08:35,260 --> 00:08:32,029 you know skip that whole part of your 212 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:35,270 talk it's obvious that was what one 213 00:08:39,670 --> 00:08:36,830 physicist said to me at the end of the 214 00:08:43,060 --> 00:08:39,680 talk at the conference down in San Diego 215 00:08:44,079 --> 00:08:43,070 and then the other half will say I don't 216 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:44,089 agree with that that doesn't make any 217 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:45,250 sense it's meaningless 218 00:08:51,370 --> 00:08:48,050 so I've decided that before moving on I 219 00:08:53,290 --> 00:08:51,380 need to spend time figuring out how did 220 00:08:55,990 --> 00:08:53,300 how to present this in a way that is 221 00:08:58,030 --> 00:08:56,000 convincing and makes sense to people so 222 00:09:00,040 --> 00:08:58,040 the point is that I can replace the muon 223 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:00,050 with a light particle now what we're 224 00:09:03,769 --> 00:09:01,529 talking about is just a system 225 00:09:06,439 --> 00:09:03,779 it's moving at a given speed relative to 226 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:06,449 me the relative speed of the two systems 227 00:09:09,650 --> 00:09:07,769 that's what Einstein talks about in his 228 00:09:10,610 --> 00:09:09,660 initial paper in 1905 is the relative 229 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:10,620 speed of the two systems 230 00:09:14,869 --> 00:09:13,110 he doesn't say inertial at all in that 231 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:14,879 paper he doesn't talk about the 232 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:16,529 reference frame and he says talks about 233 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:19,290 reference to him I think one time and he 234 00:09:25,100 --> 00:09:21,689 talks about the the relative speed of 235 00:09:26,239 --> 00:09:25,110 the two systems and so it doesn't appear 236 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:26,249 to me that there's any problem with 237 00:09:29,749 --> 00:09:27,689 talking about light it's simply an 238 00:09:31,369 --> 00:09:29,759 entity that's moving past me at a 239 00:09:33,939 --> 00:09:31,379 certain speed and that speed happens to 240 00:09:36,170 --> 00:09:33,949 be C the speed of light but I'm not 241 00:09:37,850 --> 00:09:36,180 putting myself in the quote unquote 242 00:09:40,850 --> 00:09:37,860 reference frame of the Photon you can't 243 00:09:43,249 --> 00:09:40,860 do that what I'm doing is measuring on 244 00:09:44,900 --> 00:09:43,259 earth from an Earthbound position the 245 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:44,910 properties of this entity that's moving 246 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:48,930 past me so what we obtain very obviously 247 00:09:52,129 --> 00:09:50,490 from the equations of the lorentz 248 00:09:54,319 --> 00:09:52,139 transformation is that the process time 249 00:10:00,530 --> 00:09:54,329 where the time of evolution of the light 250 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:00,540 is equal to zero so if I'm able to 251 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:01,769 convince you of that 252 00:10:07,759 --> 00:10:04,529 then the in the implications of that are 253 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:07,769 very very interesting and we'll try and 254 00:10:16,639 --> 00:10:11,370 get there so the implication to me is 255 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:16,649 something like this light is timeless we 256 00:10:23,389 --> 00:10:21,930 might also say time is meaningless when 257 00:10:25,129 --> 00:10:23,399 we were discussing the process time of 258 00:10:26,869 --> 00:10:25,139 light it's hard to talk about something 259 00:10:28,610 --> 00:10:26,879 as meaningless or it's hard to talk 260 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:28,620 about timelessness from the perspective 261 00:10:33,290 --> 00:10:30,720 of you and I who are in space and time 262 00:10:36,049 --> 00:10:33,300 and that's how we do our physics and 263 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:36,059 that's why this is so hard to talk about 264 00:10:40,549 --> 00:10:38,730 in physics but yet I believe that we can 265 00:10:42,259 --> 00:10:40,559 show that it's an important conversation 266 00:10:45,799 --> 00:10:42,269 to have and that there are implications 267 00:10:47,419 --> 00:10:45,809 that can be measured so possible 268 00:10:50,569 --> 00:10:47,429 objections are light does not have a 269 00:10:53,660 --> 00:10:50,579 perspective that's true light is not an 270 00:10:54,860 --> 00:10:53,670 inertial reference frame that's true no 271 00:10:57,590 --> 00:10:54,870 clocks can move at light speed 272 00:11:01,759 --> 00:10:57,600 that's true and light cannot experience 273 00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:01,769 time that's true but I didn't say any of 274 00:11:06,199 --> 00:11:04,800 those things okay and that's what I'm 275 00:11:08,780 --> 00:11:06,209 trying to get across I'm working with a 276 00:11:11,059 --> 00:11:08,790 physicist right now just talking weakly 277 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:11,069 and he's making sure I don't use words 278 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:12,450 that point to 279 00:11:17,450 --> 00:11:15,210 any of these things I'm not saying what 280 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:17,460 does light measure as its timeframe or 281 00:11:21,140 --> 00:11:19,290 what is the experience of light though 282 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:21,150 what is how does light pass for time 283 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:22,650 none of those things make sense to talk 284 00:11:26,630 --> 00:11:24,690 about what I'm saying is trying to 285 00:11:29,330 --> 00:11:26,640 define the process time for light that 286 00:11:34,210 --> 00:11:29,340 that governs how it evolves and saying 287 00:11:36,890 --> 00:11:34,220 that that value must be zero and so 288 00:11:42,230 --> 00:11:36,900 light cannot evolve from point A to 289 00:11:45,170 --> 00:11:42,240 point B it simply cannot so the lumens 290 00:11:47,510 --> 00:11:45,180 Lorentz transformation says for me an 291 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:47,520 Earthbound observer the light definitely 292 00:11:51,890 --> 00:11:49,320 changes it goes from point A in the 293 00:11:54,500 --> 00:11:51,900 light bulb to point B on the clock on 294 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:54,510 the wall to point C on my eyes those are 295 00:11:59,450 --> 00:11:56,100 three events that are separate in space 296 00:12:01,400 --> 00:11:59,460 and time for me the observer but to talk 297 00:12:04,550 --> 00:12:01,410 about that as those being separate 298 00:12:05,350 --> 00:12:04,560 events for the actual light doesn't make 299 00:12:07,490 --> 00:12:05,360 any sense 300 00:12:10,750 --> 00:12:07,500 because light cannot evolve from point A 301 00:12:13,490 --> 00:12:10,760 to point B a very quick technical point 302 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:13,500 these are what I would call origins 303 00:12:19,100 --> 00:12:17,010 centered events what light leaving the 304 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:19,110 light bulb traveling to the clock and 305 00:12:25,430 --> 00:12:21,090 hitting the eyeball call them a B and C 306 00:12:26,780 --> 00:12:25,440 they all happen right where the right 307 00:12:34,580 --> 00:12:26,790 where the bulb it right where the light 308 00:12:36,770 --> 00:12:34,590 is you sure this video so a B C and for 309 00:12:39,470 --> 00:12:36,780 events like that the distance between 310 00:12:41,930 --> 00:12:39,480 the events divided by the time taken 311 00:12:44,060 --> 00:12:41,940 between the events happens to be a 312 00:12:46,780 --> 00:12:44,070 special case where it's equal to the 313 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:46,790 relative speed of the two systems 314 00:12:49,970 --> 00:12:48,810 because those events are happening when 315 00:12:53,210 --> 00:12:49,980 the light actually arrives at those 316 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:53,220 points so this is a technical piece that 317 00:12:56,270 --> 00:12:54,570 allows us to make a modification to 318 00:12:59,240 --> 00:12:56,280 Lorentz transformation here's the 319 00:13:03,170 --> 00:12:59,250 Lorentz transformation where T is the 320 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:03,180 time measured by me for the light to 321 00:13:06,950 --> 00:13:05,490 move from point A to point B L is the 322 00:13:08,980 --> 00:13:06,960 distance I measure for the light to go 323 00:13:12,830 --> 00:13:08,990 to point eight a point A to point B and 324 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:12,840 T prime is the time the process time of 325 00:13:15,020 --> 00:13:13,650 the light this is what we're talking 326 00:13:17,660 --> 00:13:15,030 about is the process time of the light 327 00:13:21,140 --> 00:13:17,670 and V is the relative speed of the two 328 00:13:24,110 --> 00:13:21,150 systems when we plug in V equals L over 329 00:13:25,650 --> 00:13:24,120 T this actually changes the equation 330 00:13:29,910 --> 00:13:25,660 from being one which becomes 331 00:13:31,230 --> 00:13:29,920 infinite to one which becomes zero if 332 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:31,240 this if it was infinite it would be 333 00:13:36,090 --> 00:13:34,210 undefined and meaningless in physics but 334 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:36,100 in this case instead of gamma on the 335 00:13:38,670 --> 00:13:37,360 left hand side you see gamma there that 336 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:38,680 usually blows up to infinity when you 337 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:41,530 get to Lightspeed it actually cancels 338 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:46,330 out with the term on top and you get 339 00:13:50,910 --> 00:13:49,090 essentially T over gamma or T capital T 340 00:13:52,350 --> 00:13:50,920 times 1 minus V squared over C squared 341 00:13:54,150 --> 00:13:52,360 and the reason I put this here is 342 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:54,160 because it's it simply indicates that 343 00:13:58,350 --> 00:13:56,290 when you plug in V equals C at this 344 00:14:00,240 --> 00:13:58,360 point you get a very nice easy result 345 00:14:02,490 --> 00:14:00,250 rather than anything that blows up to 346 00:14:05,150 --> 00:14:02,500 infinity and so you get that the process 347 00:14:06,990 --> 00:14:05,160 time for the light equals to zero 348 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:07,000 interpreting that as another matter and 349 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:10,870 and very challenging so I've said light 350 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:12,490 as timeless and light cannot evolve from 351 00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:16,290 point A to point B and just a brief note 352 00:14:20,580 --> 00:14:19,120 Einstein said that you know you could 353 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:20,590 object that you can't plug V equal C 354 00:14:24,420 --> 00:14:22,510 into the Lorentz transform you can't do 355 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:24,430 that for an object that has mass any 356 00:14:28,140 --> 00:14:26,050 kind of mass but we're talking about 357 00:14:30,330 --> 00:14:28,150 light here specifically and only light 358 00:14:32,820 --> 00:14:30,340 which has no rest mass and in Einstein's 359 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:32,830 original paper he said for V equals C 360 00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:34,510 all moving objects viewed from the 361 00:14:39,060 --> 00:14:36,820 stationary system shrivel up into plane 362 00:14:40,620 --> 00:14:39,070 figures which is essentially what we're 363 00:14:42,300 --> 00:14:40,630 talking about here for values greater 364 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:42,310 than that of light our deliberations 365 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:44,530 become meaningless it doesn't say that 366 00:14:48,420 --> 00:14:46,210 for the value of Lightspeed our 367 00:14:50,370 --> 00:14:48,430 deliberations are meaningless I think he 368 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:50,380 would agree that it indicates that our 369 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:53,350 deliberations become complicated but not 370 00:14:57,930 --> 00:14:54,970 meaningless and we have to understand 371 00:15:00,570 --> 00:14:57,940 that use case they shrivel up into plane 372 00:15:03,230 --> 00:15:00,580 figures what did that mean to him what 373 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:05,760 so is it valid to ask how would light 374 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:08,170 registers events we interact with light 375 00:15:11,700 --> 00:15:09,370 and make various distinguishable 376 00:15:13,170 --> 00:15:11,710 measurements that affect it light is an 377 00:15:15,780 --> 00:15:13,180 entity that gets changed by our 378 00:15:17,190 --> 00:15:15,790 measurements so I do think it's a valid 379 00:15:19,590 --> 00:15:17,200 to ask how light registers our 380 00:15:22,260 --> 00:15:19,600 interactions with it and I don't have to 381 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:22,270 say experiences our actions or anything 382 00:15:26,190 --> 00:15:23,890 like that I'm saying registers is a very 383 00:15:29,730 --> 00:15:26,200 sort of physical word that doesn't have 384 00:15:31,740 --> 00:15:29,740 to do with anthropomorphism so what is 385 00:15:33,540 --> 00:15:31,750 timelessness how can light be timeless 386 00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:33,550 when we see it moving all the time we 387 00:15:38,220 --> 00:15:34,990 can measure light moving from point A to 388 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:38,230 point B very precisely how 389 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:41,260 can it be timeless well the conclusion I 390 00:15:45,270 --> 00:15:42,610 draw from this is that light does not 391 00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:45,280 actually move the Lorentz 392 00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:47,560 transformations say that space and time 393 00:15:52,490 --> 00:15:50,560 both become essentially zero whatever 394 00:15:54,810 --> 00:15:52,500 that means 395 00:15:57,410 --> 00:15:54,820 so light can't move it has nowhere to go 396 00:15:59,460 --> 00:15:57,420 it doesn't make any sense it's undefined 397 00:16:02,360 --> 00:15:59,470 the conclusion I draw is that light 398 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:02,370 appears to have moved when its measured 399 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:05,890 life always appears to move a distance L 400 00:16:12,270 --> 00:16:09,930 in a time T given by the speed of light 401 00:16:13,830 --> 00:16:12,280 but only when you make a measurement you 402 00:16:17,220 --> 00:16:13,840 can't say anything about it other than 403 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:17,230 that and so when I when I observe light 404 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:19,530 after bouncing off a clock on the wall 405 00:16:24,420 --> 00:16:22,930 I'm observing it at a position and time 406 00:16:26,970 --> 00:16:24,430 as if it had traveled the intervening 407 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:26,980 distance that doesn't mean it actually 408 00:16:31,110 --> 00:16:28,870 did travel the intervening distance in 409 00:16:34,620 --> 00:16:31,120 some kind of continuous way or absolute 410 00:16:36,900 --> 00:16:34,630 real way it means that it's measured to 411 00:16:39,930 --> 00:16:36,910 have done so when I actually make a 412 00:16:41,730 --> 00:16:39,940 measurement and if you see some 413 00:16:43,890 --> 00:16:41,740 similarities to quantum mechanics that's 414 00:16:45,510 --> 00:16:43,900 good because we actually arrived at this 415 00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:45,520 without invoking quantum mechanics at 416 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:47,920 all the idea that the system doesn't 417 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:49,270 have a definite state until a 418 00:16:54,180 --> 00:16:52,210 measurement is actually made is one of 419 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:54,190 the central pieces of quantum mechanics 420 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:55,450 but we are just talking about special 421 00:16:58,800 --> 00:16:57,490 relativity at this point and so it to me 422 00:16:59,970 --> 00:16:58,810 that there's it brings them together in 423 00:17:04,050 --> 00:16:59,980 a way it shows that they have a common 424 00:17:06,540 --> 00:17:04,060 origin or a common logic to them if you 425 00:17:07,950 --> 00:17:06,550 plug in the the T equals zero in there 426 00:17:09,900 --> 00:17:07,960 what you get is a very trivial result 427 00:17:12,090 --> 00:17:09,910 which is that the distance and the time 428 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:12,100 actually traveled by the light relative 429 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:14,170 to me is given by the speed of light so 430 00:17:19,860 --> 00:17:15,370 the light always appears to move at the 431 00:17:23,220 --> 00:17:19,870 speed of light so here's the the 432 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:23,230 question I want to ask you if light is 433 00:17:32,130 --> 00:17:26,650 timeless then the now light already 434 00:17:34,490 --> 00:17:32,140 exists in tomorrow so just take a minute 435 00:17:36,780 --> 00:17:34,500 to picture yourself on a sunny field 436 00:17:38,550 --> 00:17:36,790 it's a beautiful sunny day and you're 437 00:17:44,430 --> 00:17:38,560 feeling the the warmth of the light on 438 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:44,440 your skin and that light is timeless so 439 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:47,330 that very same light 440 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:50,330 is connected timelessly somehow to the 441 00:17:53,669 --> 00:17:52,250 two when it left the event of the light 442 00:17:55,990 --> 00:17:53,679 leaving the Sun eight minutes before 443 00:17:59,730 --> 00:17:56,000 it's also connected timelessly to the 444 00:18:03,159 --> 00:17:59,740 future how can anything that's timeless 445 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:03,169 not be connected to all of time and some 446 00:18:06,940 --> 00:18:04,730 in some regard that the light that we're 447 00:18:08,919 --> 00:18:06,950 experiencing in the future is connected 448 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:08,929 timelessly to the lights today it's hard 449 00:18:15,100 --> 00:18:13,370 to discuss it in physical words but if 450 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:15,110 you contemplate timelessness I this is 451 00:18:21,190 --> 00:18:17,090 the conclusion I've come to the question 452 00:18:22,750 --> 00:18:21,200 is which tomorrow is it connected to if 453 00:18:24,190 --> 00:18:22,760 light is timeless which time which 454 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:24,200 tomorrow is that connected to is the 455 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:26,090 future predetermined it would seem that 456 00:18:31,690 --> 00:18:30,049 way but I would say no light exists in 457 00:18:33,430 --> 00:18:31,700 all the possible futures and so now 458 00:18:35,379 --> 00:18:33,440 we've landed on the conclusion that all 459 00:18:40,389 --> 00:18:35,389 these possible features exist that light 460 00:18:42,519 --> 00:18:40,399 is timelessly connected to and since 461 00:18:44,500 --> 00:18:42,529 light must always real aim remain 462 00:18:46,830 --> 00:18:44,510 timeless it can never objectively 463 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:46,840 collapse to a single definite state if 464 00:18:51,490 --> 00:18:49,250 light ever objectively took a definite 465 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:51,500 state then it would mean that I was 466 00:19:00,129 --> 00:18:56,809 changing the future of that light as 467 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:00,139 well in some objective way which doesn't 468 00:19:06,310 --> 00:19:02,210 make sense with the principle that light 469 00:19:07,930 --> 00:19:06,320 would be timeless and so the where I 470 00:19:10,210 --> 00:19:07,940 take that is the relational collapse 471 00:19:14,049 --> 00:19:10,220 model the light only takes a definite 472 00:19:15,310 --> 00:19:14,059 state relative to me the observer and so 473 00:19:17,950 --> 00:19:15,320 any description is relative to an 474 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:17,960 observer so compatible interpretations 475 00:19:22,450 --> 00:19:19,730 that use this idea of relational 476 00:19:25,299 --> 00:19:22,460 collapse many worlds many minds 477 00:19:27,430 --> 00:19:25,309 consistent histories relational quantum 478 00:19:28,930 --> 00:19:27,440 Bayesian ISM and decoherence Theory 479 00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:28,940 decoherence is not really an 480 00:19:34,450 --> 00:19:30,799 interpretation but it met it fits with 481 00:19:36,310 --> 00:19:34,460 this transactional to state vector 482 00:19:40,090 --> 00:19:36,320 formalism are both possibly compatible I 483 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:40,100 haven't figured it out yet incompatible 484 00:19:42,610 --> 00:19:41,210 interpretations and this is where I 485 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:42,620 think it's very interesting and relevant 486 00:19:46,509 --> 00:19:44,690 the Penrose interpretation anything 487 00:19:47,980 --> 00:19:46,519 involving objective reduction or 488 00:19:51,930 --> 00:19:47,990 objective collapse doesn't fit this 489 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:51,940 model grw the Copenhagen interpretation 490 00:19:56,649 --> 00:19:55,130 simply said that macroscopic can't be 491 00:19:58,299 --> 00:19:56,659 separate from microscopic if you follow 492 00:19:59,860 --> 00:19:58,309 this model that would that would imply 493 00:20:00,910 --> 00:19:59,870 some kind of objective reality that just 494 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:00,920 can't be the case with 495 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:03,650 Relativity de broglie-bohm von Oy Minh 496 00:20:06,790 --> 00:20:05,210 and the varmint stop and staff 497 00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,800 interpretations although in discussion 498 00:20:09,250 --> 00:20:08,240 with Henry step I think we've might have 499 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:09,260 brought them a little closer to the 500 00:20:17,500 --> 00:20:14,050 relational view so that's ongoing a 501 00:20:19,570 --> 00:20:17,510 definite objective world out there does 502 00:20:21,550 --> 00:20:19,580 not need consciousness but the 503 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:21,560 relational world has a natural place for 504 00:20:29,470 --> 00:20:26,810 consciousness the observer so physical 505 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:29,480 reality is secondary takes definite form 506 00:20:36,910 --> 00:20:31,730 inside consciousness and consciousness 507 00:20:44,770 --> 00:20:36,920 is primary thank you very much thank you 508 00:20:46,150 --> 00:20:44,780 very much thank you quick question and 509 00:20:49,660 --> 00:20:46,160 just just to mention I have a book that 510 00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:49,670 will be coming out in December and some 511 00:20:53,470 --> 00:20:51,440 experiments that are suggested for this 512 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:53,480 and I love any of any of you who would 513 00:20:59,440 --> 00:20:54,650 like to review it I'd love to give you a 514 00:21:04,750 --> 00:20:59,450 copy thanks guy your idea of the 515 00:21:09,490 --> 00:21:04,760 timelessness of light supports my idea 516 00:21:13,870 --> 00:21:09,500 of the symmetry of causality and retro 517 00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:13,880 causality and also Richard Shoup 518 00:21:20,850 --> 00:21:16,910 statement that causality has no real 519 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:20,860 meaning because what you have described 520 00:21:29,710 --> 00:21:24,050 cause and effect are coexistent and 521 00:21:33,310 --> 00:21:29,720 don't need to be separated I think 522 00:21:35,950 --> 00:21:33,320 that's the point of so cause and effect 523 00:21:40,270 --> 00:21:35,960 become very problematic or interesting I 524 00:21:43,420 --> 00:21:40,280 might say if events that come you know 525 00:21:47,290 --> 00:21:43,430 if to light these events are not 526 00:21:49,690 --> 00:21:47,300 separate or distinct a B and C but to me 527 00:21:52,210 --> 00:21:49,700 as an inertial observer they are 528 00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,220 distinct causality is obviously true for 529 00:21:58,360 --> 00:21:54,320 me but how does that work with something 530 00:22:00,850 --> 00:21:58,370 that's that's timeless and has all 531 00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,860 possible events sort of it's connected 532 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:02,480 to all those possible events at the same 533 00:22:06,730 --> 00:22:05,510 time I think it leads to conclusions I 534 00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:06,740 think you can draw conclusions but it 535 00:22:10,750 --> 00:22:09,440 takes a lot of deep thinking and it 536 00:22:13,690 --> 00:22:10,760 doesn't again I'm not saying that 537 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:13,700 there's there's no causality for us for 538 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:14,650 a human observer 539 00:22:17,730 --> 00:22:16,690 we already know what the world does the 540 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:17,740 experiments are there and we're 541 00:22:21,090 --> 00:22:19,090 following those this is saying that 542 00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:21,100 there's some implications when you 543 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:22,660 consider the lightest timeless but it's 544 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:27,190 a great it's a great point no sky as you 545 00:22:33,330 --> 00:22:29,290 know we've talked about this admit from 546 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:33,340 merely from your last presentation last 547 00:22:40,650 --> 00:22:37,210 weekend and I'm wondering what you've 548 00:22:42,540 --> 00:22:40,660 thought about the possibility that that 549 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:42,550 which is spaceless and timeless a 550 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:45,970 primordial non-existent void would 551 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:50,470 intersect dynamically with space time 552 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:52,330 energy and matter mind and body however 553 00:22:58,460 --> 00:22:55,650 quantum mechanically classically and be 554 00:23:03,110 --> 00:22:58,470 simultaneous in time and space as 555 00:23:06,350 --> 00:23:03,120 evidenced by light as a timeless 556 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:06,360 possibly an arc discharge of some kind 557 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:09,730 interacting between the void and 558 00:23:16,590 --> 00:23:14,050 space-time well the reason I love 559 00:23:18,690 --> 00:23:16,600 studying this is because it's in my view 560 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:18,700 profound and interesting and hard to 561 00:23:28,290 --> 00:23:24,610 form conclusions I would I'd have to 562 00:23:32,550 --> 00:23:28,300 think about that some more and I think 563 00:23:34,500 --> 00:23:32,560 that the idea of a void is very 564 00:23:35,670 --> 00:23:34,510 consistent with the idea of timelessness 565 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:35,680 they're both things that we cannot 566 00:23:41,100 --> 00:23:37,690 possibly describe with our current 567 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:41,110 language and models and so quite 568 00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:43,810 possibly similar met descriptions of 569 00:23:59,670 --> 00:23:56,370 in the observations of photons arriving 570 00:24:02,610 --> 00:23:59,680 on earth that originated at the 571 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:02,620 beginning of the universe it says that 572 00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:06,370 as we observe those photons we're not 573 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:08,500 really looking at something that 574 00:24:14,330 --> 00:24:11,770 occurred in the past but since the 575 00:24:17,910 --> 00:24:14,340 photons are timeless we are literally 576 00:24:20,910 --> 00:24:17,920 looking at those events at the moment 577 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:24,730 well disregarding and anything I've said 578 00:24:31,870 --> 00:24:29,450 if blue light is emitted but if a 579 00:24:35,230 --> 00:24:31,880 pattern of blue and green lights say is 580 00:24:37,540 --> 00:24:35,240 emitted from a star 100,000 years ago 581 00:24:39,370 --> 00:24:37,550 that's 100,000 light years away and we 582 00:24:42,550 --> 00:24:39,380 see it and we see that pattern we're 583 00:24:45,070 --> 00:24:42,560 seeing light as it was emitted I mean 584 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:45,080 that we're seeing the event now but 585 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:46,610 we're making the assumption that it 586 00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,770 happened a long time ago which I don't 587 00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:50,240 want to really call an assumption I 588 00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:52,400 think the point that you're getting at 589 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:55,120 is that light if it's it's absolutely 590 00:25:01,090 --> 00:24:58,250 rigorously true I think that light 591 00:25:03,010 --> 00:25:01,100 because you can't consider it to have 592 00:25:05,890 --> 00:25:03,020 taken any particular time to get there 593 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:05,900 because light has dilated completely I 594 00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:09,050 mean the process time is zero it does in 595 00:25:14,050 --> 00:25:12,620 some sense instantaneously connect the 596 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:14,060 distance star and the observation of 597 00:25:17,230 --> 00:25:16,070 that distance star but it takes a long 598 00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:17,240 time from a earthbound observers 599 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:18,590 reference frame for the light to make 600 00:25:22,210 --> 00:25:20,690 that distance and and in there is the 601 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:22,220 dynamics that we're trying to uncover 602 00:25:26,890 --> 00:25:24,650 here thank you thank you very much sky 603 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:26,900 we're running at least 20 minutes late 604 00:25:29,890 --> 00:25:28,580 so I'm going to kind of cut off the 605 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:29,900 questions and I'll turn the mic over to 606 00:25:34,790 --> 00:25:32,690 Roger for 30 seconds 607 00:25:40,659 --> 00:25:34,800 [Applause]